[GE users] Does SGE work with IBM/Rational ClearCase ?

Beadles, Jeff jeff_beadles at mentorg.com
Thu Apr 15 22:52:49 BST 2004

Some of our projects use clearcase to store their regression suites along with the source code.  Most of our SGE use is around the qa/test environments, and thus our use of clearcase with SGE.

I bet we spend at least 10 hours testing for every hour of builds, probably a lot more...  It's definitely worth the time, at least in our environment.

Yes, you can use distcc with Sun Studio/Sun Workshop/HP Acc compilers.  You need to make a small tweak to the source, to change the output filename from foo.out to be foo.o, and then it works great.


-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:40 PM
To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
Subject: RE: [GE users] Does SGE work with IBM/Rational ClearCase ?

>From: "Beadles, Jeff" <jeff_beadles at mentorg.com>
>Reply-To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>Subject: RE: [GE users] Does SGE work with IBM/Rational ClearCase  ?
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 07:01:28 -0700
>The heavyweight issue for me is the fact that I have to;
>A)  use qmake.  (we use a patched version of gmake and I'd rather not 
>have to patch something else)

I still don't understand the main purpose of using  SGE/clearcase without using QMAKE.
Especially modfied GMAKE(easier to read) to work with SGE.

We will only do this kind of effort if QMAKE can't do the parallel/distributed make and under the condition that we are asked to use SGE.

>B)  have some way to make sure that all of the systems used for the 
>distributed compilation have the exact same configuration.  We have a mix 
>of desktops & servers (hundreds of each) in our grid, and one different 
>include file or system library could cause major failures in our builds.

I am less concern about this issue, our desktop & server have consistent 
>We're using distcc, and have been very happy with it.  It only requires one 
>'gold' system to run the build process, and can use other systems as long 
>as they have access to the same compiler.  (it does the preprocessing & 
>linking locally)

Jeff, can you use distcc with Sun's workshop or HP's ANSIC C compiler ?

>  -Jeff
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy Schwierskott [mailto:andy.schwierskott at sun.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:26 AM
>To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>Subject: RE: [GE users] Does SGE work with IBM/Rational ClearCase ?
> > We use SGE with clearcase all of the time.  It works like a charm, as
> > long as you have registered all of your vobs and views into a common
> > region that your grid exec hosts use.  Take a look at the how-to on
> > clearcase on the open source website.
> >
> > We don't use SGE to do compiles though, and don't use clearmake in our
> > grid environment.
> >
> > For what it's worth, I think that there are better ways to distribute
> > compiles across systems rather than via SGE.  SGE is too heavy-weight
> > of a process, and doesn't provide the controls that would be needed to
> > ensure a reproducible build.  (for example, with the default SGE
> > installation, you only know what the arch is for a system, and not
> > things like which
> > compiler(s) are installed, at what patchlevel, what system libraries,
> > etc...)
>I have a question about your statement "is too heavy-weight of a process".
>Do you think the overhead comes from the fact that SGE spawns a new qrsh 
>connection for each make target? Do you think that if SGE kept open a qrsh 
>connection to a host for multiple make targets the overhead would become 
>acceptable? Or are there other reasons (apart from the software and patch
>issues) why you find SGE too heavyweight for compile runs?
> >   _____
> >
> > From: Ron Chen [mailto:ron_chen_123 at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wed 4/14/2004 6:23 PM
> > To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
> > Subject: Re: [GE users] Does SGE work with IBM/Rational ClearCase ?
> >
> >
> >
> > I forgot what kind of problems you got last year, but I'm to lazy to
> > search the old mails. (btw, would be nice to have google's 1GB webmail
> > account with its search functionality)
> >
> > Since you said that clearcase has its own distributed compilation
> > methods, why not use it with SGE?
> >
> > I think you can ask SGE to give you a number of hosts, and you tell
> > clearcase to use those provided by SGE instead of a static list.
> >
> >  -Ron
> >
> >
> > --- "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > I need to demostrate SGE's qmake can parse clearcase makefile and
> > > dispatch the independant sub tasks in makefile to other
> > > clearcase-enable execution nodes to do distributed compilation. We
> > > are aware clearmake can do distributed compilation if static
> > > execuation hosts are be pre-configured.
> > >
> > > We use clearcase in workpalce and if SGE can't improve code
> > > compilation speed then there is no real merit of using SGE.
> > >
> > > Please, if you sucessfully using SGE to improve clearcase
> > > compilation time please let me know. So SGE can be compared with
> > > other candidate - " LSF".
> > >
> > >
> > > We might be able to pay you consulation fee for helping  us set up
> > > SGE+Clearcase testing environment.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > T.J. Yang

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