[GE users] Web Services over Grid

Daniel Templeton Dan.Templeton at Sun.COM
Fri May 30 20:06:15 BST 2008


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Depends on what your goals are.  I don't think Globus will help with the 
goal as I understood it, but it does provide a solution equivalent to 
what Thamizhannal described.

Daniel

Nitesh Bhatia wrote:
> Hi
> I got this figure from some book:
>
> __________________________________
> |                       HPC WIndow                      |
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> |   Grid Enabled Apps |       Data                 |
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> |            GLOBUS TOOLKIT                        |
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> |            HPC Cluster Tools                          |
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> |             Security                                         |
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> |                N1 Grid Engine                           |
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> (Architecture to run Web Services over Grid)
>
> I think Globus toolkit can be used over N1 Grid to achieve my  objective.
>
> Regards
> Nitesh
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Thamizh <tcegrid at yahoo.co.in 
> <mailto:tcegrid at yahoo.co.in>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Here is an approach for implementing a web service on Grid. It is
>     pretty easy.
>
>     I am suggesting you to go ahead with AXIS server with
>     apache-tomcat for developing a web service on grid.
>     refer : http://ws.apache.org/axis/java/install.html
>
>     You can do the following things very easily on web service
>     1. Job Submission  - qsub command
>     2 .Job monitoring - qstat -j jobid
>     3 . Job deletion etc things very easily. - qdel -j jobid
>
>     The Idea here is You have to write a Simple Java Program which
>     runs SGE commands on the grid-master node and capture the output
>     and display the same web page.
>
>     I have developed these things on N1GE6
>
>     Regards,
>     Thamizhannal P
>
>
>     */Daniel Templeton <Dan.Templeton at Sun.COM>/* wrote:
>
>         Check this out for a starting point:
>
>         http://blogs.sun.com/templedf/entry/using_grid_engine_for_service
>
>         Daniel
>
>         Nitesh Bhatia wrote:
>         > you got my point. I want to implement Web Services Grid
>         Architecture
>         > (WSGA) over Sun Grid N1.
>         >
>         > On 5/30/08, Daniel Templeton wrote:
>         >
>         >> Are you talking about the web service instances being the
>         jobs? If so,
>         >> it's possible, but it's not pretty. It's easy enough to
>         submit an
>         >> appserver or Tomcat instance as a job and let that spool up
>         a web
>         >> service instance, but the trouble is that you have to build the
>         >> infrastructure to submit and cancel jobs to dynamically
>         size the
>         >> instance pool based on load. It is possible to use Grid
>         Engine as the
>         >> foundation of that infrastructure, but it's complicated and
>         somewhat
>         >> fragile. Or am I reading too much into what you're asking?
>         >>
>         >> Daniel
>         >>
>         >> Nitesh Bhatia wrote:
>         >>
>         >>> By web services over grid i mean that for an instance I
>         want to give
>         >>> cycles of my CPU as a web service or a simple example
>         would be to
>         >>> implement data-grid over web-service architecture. Instead
>         of shel
>         >>> script or binary I want to design a web based application
>         which would
>         >>> be able to perform CPU intensive jobs over HTTP i.e in the
>         form of
>         >>> service.
>         >>>
>         >>> Is it possible in the case of Grid Engine ?
>         >>>
>         >>> On 5/30/08, Daniel Templeton wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>> First off, the "grid containers" in Solaris won't help
>         you much. That
>         >>>> was a former name for what is known as Solaris Zones.
>         >>>>
>         >>>> When you say you want to implement web services on the
>         grid, what
>         >>>> exactly do you mean? I suspect that Grid Engine is going
>         to be a poor
>         >>>> choice of platform for you. Grid Engine is focused on
>         matching incoming
>         >>>> jobs to available resources in an efficient manner. A
>         "job" for Grid
>         >>>> Engine is anything you could run from the command line,
>         i.e. a path to a
>         >>>> script or binary.
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Daniel
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Nitesh Bhatia wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>> Hi All
>         >>>>> I am a newbie in Sun's N1 Grid Server. As a project I am
>         working on
>         >>>>> implementation of web services over grid architecture on
>         N1 Grid
>         >>>>> server. I am finding it very complicated to work on N1
>         Grid as there
>         >>>>> is no straight forward approach to implement web
>         services on grid is
>         >>>>> given. For connection of web services to grid; grid
>         containers are
>         >>>>> required, although they are available on Solaris but I
>         am not finding
>         >>>>> any clear explanation.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> Are they inbuilt in Solaris or I need to download them ?
>         I am using
>         >>>>> OpenSolaris 01/08 edition on Intel 3.0 HT as root node
>         and mac leopard
>         >>>>> and windows as root nodes on different PCs.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> Please help me.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> Regards
>         >>>>> Nitesh
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>
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