[GE users] [GE dev] Re: [GE dev] [GE users] Can a user change his/her job priority

reuti reuti at staff.uni-marburg.de
Wed Nov 26 15:18:03 GMT 2008


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Am 26.11.2008 um 15:30 schrieb craffi:

> My $.02 ...
>
>  From a usability perspective as well as a "does SGE make sense to an
> end user" view this is ridiculous. The behavior and usage is the exact
> opposite of what an end user would expect to see for a feature that
> supposedly exists to let users self-prioritize among their own jobs.
> The people who are comfortable with this are long-time SGE users and
> admins. New folks can't understand why this is the way it is.
>
> I understand the tech views and since I understand the workarounds I'm
> OK with leaving this code as it stands.

Agreed.

>
> But as someone who does SGE training I can tell you that the reaction
> from the classroom when you tell the end users that "you can only use
> values less than zero to describe the relative importance of your
> jobs" is pretty funny. Describing the workarounds just convinces the
> class that the implementation of this feature is much harder and more
> complex than it needs to be.
>
> Also - have we settled the issue (if there is one) of users no longer
> being able raise the priority within the allowed range? That seems
> like a bug to me -- someone who does a "-p -100" should be allowed to
> qalter the value to "-p -90" etc.

Agreed.

-- Reuti


>
>
> -Chris
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:44 AM, andy wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> Since an admin can set the default submit priority via the
>> "sge_request"
>> file to a value < 0 there is still lots of priorities available for
>> a user to
>> raise the job priorty without any changes to SGE.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>> I still think this is a very, very bad idea.  It definitely should
>>> not be
>>> the default.  Users get priorities from 0 to -1023, which is more
>>> than
>>> enough of a range.
>>>
>>>  -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roman Glebov [mailto:roman at glebov.de]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:00 AM
>>> To: dag at sonsorol.org
>>> Cc: dev at gridengine.sunsource.net; users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>>> Subject: [GE users] [GE dev] Re: [GE dev] [GE users] Can a user
>>> change his/her job priority
>>>
>>> NOTE: The following attachments:
>>>
>>> ge.patch[text/x-diff;
>>> name="ge.patch"]
>>>
>>> have been removed from this message because they are not allowed
>>> for this discussion.
>>>
>>> Hallo Chris and GE-Developers,
>>>
>>> We have confronted a similar problem. Thats why
>>> i have written a simple patch for latest-cvs-version of Gridengine,
>>> which allows non-admin users to choose Priorities > 0 and also
>>> to increase a priority of a  job after it was submitted.
>>>
>>> Can this patch be incorporated into the SGE-Source?
>>>
>>> Maybe this option should be configurable in the future, but for now
>>> just look at the patch.
>>>
>>> with regards Roman Glebov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sebastian Stark wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not followed up on that issue and looking back it seems I
>>>>> have
>>>>> not filed an SGE issue on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you still have my original post to the list can you reply to it
>>>>> mentioning your issue and SGE version? That will update the thread
>>>>> and hopefully we'll get an answer. I'll test with SGE 6.2 later
>>>>> today
>>>>> and will file an issue if needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2008, at 5:28 AM, Sebastian Stark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> did you ever receive an answer to this question? We have the same
>>>>>> problem here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17.06.2008, at 16:19, Chris Dagdigian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi SGE devs,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Users are reporting that they can't raise the priority of their
>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>> jobs even when the priority value is less than zero (in past SGE
>>>>>>> versions users used to have full control to raise and lower
>>>>>>> values
>>>>>>> in the range -1023 to 0 with operators/managers having control
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> the higher range).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this an intended behavior (non-operators can never raise
>>>>>>> priority value ever, regardless of its value)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Kevin Doman" <kdoman07 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: June 17, 2008 10:15:17 AM EDT
>>>>>>>> To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GE users] Can a user change his/her job priority
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: users at gridengine.sunsource.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6.1u2, 6.1u4 ... mine is 6.0u8 and I experienced the same  
>>>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Richard Ems
>>>>>>>> <Richard.Ems at cape-horn-eng.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris Dagdigian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because the starting value is -100 your user can then
>>>>>>>>>> self-elevate some of
>>>>>>>>>> his/her jobs by using the values -99 to -1. Kinda odd from a
>>>>>>>>>> usage
>>>>>>>>>> perspective but it should work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But this solution you propose is what is not working  
>>>>>>>>> anymore. A
>>>>>>>>> user can
>>>>>>>>> only decrease priorities and not increase them, regardless of
>>>>>>>>> which priority
>>>>>>>>> they try (on 6.1u2 and 6.1u4).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> qalter -p -100 12345           works
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and later
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> qalter -p -90 12345            does not work
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This last command throws the error "denied: "<user>" must be
>>>>>>>>> operator to
>>>>>>>>> increase job priority".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think this worked up to some older SGE version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Richard Ems       mail: Richard.Ems at Cape-Horn-Eng.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cape Horn Engineering S.L.
>>>>>>>>> C/ Dr. J.J. Dómine 1, 5? piso
>>>>>>>>> 46011 Valencia
>>>>>>>>> Tel : +34 96 3242923 / Fax 924
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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