[GE users] Followup project

laotsao laotsao at gmail.com
Fri Aug 20 09:45:54 BST 2010

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IMHO, most user will be happy if oracle provide
1)pay version that has more features and access to patches
2)opensource version that include bug fixes but limited features

oracle need to have roadmap/direction on all opensource project
1)gridengine (??)
2)Solaris (Solsris 11 and some source?)
3)lustre  (??)
4)openoffice (two versions?)
5)openDS (no future?)
6)openSSO (no future?)
7)MySQL (two versions)

On 8/20/2010 3:38 AM, andy wrote:
> Joe,
>   >  Let me ask a (somewhat obvious) set of questions.
>   >
>   >  Is there any possibility that this project could be shut down due to
>   >  Oracle flexing legal muscle? That is, DanT looks like his group has
>   >  funding and a roadmap, and they might not take too kindly to an external
>   >  group building a relicensed version. Nor give their permission for
>   >  relicensure.
> your question raises a fair concern and needs to be asked here. No one,
> neither contributing as an individual nor by representing a company
> wants to get involved in any legal troubles when kicking off a
> community-led fork of the Grid Engine project.
> Though I'm now a Oracle employee and an old-timer in the Grid Engine
> engineering team since 16 years I can't speak for Oracle here. So I just
> can share my personal view: As I always understood the SISSL license
> gives the freedom to anyone to take the code and create a fork - even
> commercial versions seem to be allowed if the requirements of the SISSL
> are met. I agree a statement or clarification and explanation what can
> be done and what not were helpful.
> And the legal question is not only about the code: I could not give an
> answer under which license the Issuezilla database and mailing list
> archives had been made available. That needs to be answered as well.
> Undoubtedly the vast effort of all contributions with new feature
> development and bug fixing was contributed by Sun in the past 9 years
> since we went open source in June 2001. There were a few code
> contributions from our community (think about the array job
> interdependencies) and there was help with porting to new OS platforms
> (the most important certainly was the initial port to Mac OS X). In my
> view the greatest asset which had been created was the incredible
> adoption of Grid Engine and this tremendously active, helpful and
> positive mailing lists in the Grid Engine project. Also the many issues
> and bugs which had been reported by our community helped us to improve
> the quality of the Grid Engine code and helped others to get fixes
> before they ran into it as well. No doubt, that helped our paying
> customers as well.
> All of you who are in the software business know what's the price tag of
> developing new features and fixing bugs. There are numbers which say a
> single bug on average costs more than $10k to fix. What I'm wondering is
> if the community will be able to sustain the code quality of the current
> feature set - and what's about new development or complete new modules
> which address new needs, like the Service Domain Manager? This thread
> originally has started with a memory reporting regression on Linux. That
> bug was easy to fix. Others we fixed in 6.2u6 (see here
> http://gridengine.sunsource.net/project/gridengine/62patches.txt) took
> even us many, many person weeks to analyze and solve them, not talking
> about the QA team and lab and the continuous investment in the testsuite
> to ensure and improve the quality of the released code on all of the
> supported platforms.
> There's certainly quite some risk for anyone who is responsible for
> running clusters where every hour hundreds, thousands or tens of
> thousands CPU hours are waiting to kept busy and keep the company behind
> running. So is the assumed zero price tag worth the money you will lose
> if the DRM system of your choice does not work? Our customers are giving
> us figures which say that hardware, electricity, cooling,
> administration, OS licenses, DRM system licenses only make up one third
> of their costs. The remaining money goes into the licenses of the
> software which runs in the grid. Not talking about the labor costs for
> the engineers using the Grid. So can the license and support costs of a
> DRM system have any cost saving potential when you compare it with the
> value it adds to the bulk of hardware in a data center?
> Regards,
> Andy
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