[GE users] Followup project

laotsao laotsao at gmail.com
Fri Aug 20 10:24:10 BST 2010


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of course user can always move to other opensource DRM if the 
opensource gridengine doesnot meet their need:-(


On 8/20/2010 4:45 AM, LaoTsao ?? wrote:
>
> IMHO, most user will be happy if oracle provide
> 1)pay version that has more features and access to patches
> 2)opensource version that include bug fixes but limited features
>
> oracle need to have roadmap/direction on all opensource project
> 1)gridengine (??)
> 2)Solaris (Solsris 11 and some source?)
> 3)lustre  (??)
> 4)openoffice (two versions?)
> 5)openDS (no future?)
> 6)openSSO (no future?)
> 7)MySQL (two versions)
> etc
>
> On 8/20/2010 3:38 AM, andy wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> >  Let me ask a (somewhat obvious) set of questions.
>> >
>> >  Is there any possibility that this project could be shut down due to
>> >  Oracle flexing legal muscle? That is, DanT looks like his group has
>> >  funding and a roadmap, and they might not take too kindly to an 
>> external
>> >  group building a relicensed version. Nor give their permission for
>> >  relicensure.
>>
>> your question raises a fair concern and needs to be asked here. No one,
>> neither contributing as an individual nor by representing a company
>> wants to get involved in any legal troubles when kicking off a
>> community-led fork of the Grid Engine project.
>>
>> Though I'm now a Oracle employee and an old-timer in the Grid Engine
>> engineering team since 16 years I can't speak for Oracle here. So I just
>> can share my personal view: As I always understood the SISSL license
>> gives the freedom to anyone to take the code and create a fork - even
>> commercial versions seem to be allowed if the requirements of the SISSL
>> are met. I agree a statement or clarification and explanation what can
>> be done and what not were helpful.
>>
>> And the legal question is not only about the code: I could not give an
>> answer under which license the Issuezilla database and mailing list
>> archives had been made available. That needs to be answered as well.
>>
>> Undoubtedly the vast effort of all contributions with new feature
>> development and bug fixing was contributed by Sun in the past 9 years
>> since we went open source in June 2001. There were a few code
>> contributions from our community (think about the array job
>> interdependencies) and there was help with porting to new OS platforms
>> (the most important certainly was the initial port to Mac OS X). In my
>> view the greatest asset which had been created was the incredible
>> adoption of Grid Engine and this tremendously active, helpful and
>> positive mailing lists in the Grid Engine project. Also the many issues
>> and bugs which had been reported by our community helped us to improve
>> the quality of the Grid Engine code and helped others to get fixes
>> before they ran into it as well. No doubt, that helped our paying
>> customers as well.
>>
>> All of you who are in the software business know what's the price tag of
>> developing new features and fixing bugs. There are numbers which say a
>> single bug on average costs more than $10k to fix. What I'm wondering is
>> if the community will be able to sustain the code quality of the current
>> feature set - and what's about new development or complete new modules
>> which address new needs, like the Service Domain Manager? This thread
>> originally has started with a memory reporting regression on Linux. That
>> bug was easy to fix. Others we fixed in 6.2u6 (see here
>> http://gridengine.sunsource.net/project/gridengine/62patches.txt) took
>> even us many, many person weeks to analyze and solve them, not talking
>> about the QA team and lab and the continuous investment in the testsuite
>> to ensure and improve the quality of the released code on all of the
>> supported platforms.
>>
>> There's certainly quite some risk for anyone who is responsible for
>> running clusters where every hour hundreds, thousands or tens of
>> thousands CPU hours are waiting to kept busy and keep the company behind
>> running. So is the assumed zero price tag worth the money you will lose
>> if the DRM system of your choice does not work? Our customers are giving
>> us figures which say that hardware, electricity, cooling,
>> administration, OS licenses, DRM system licenses only make up one third
>> of their costs. The remaining money goes into the licenses of the
>> software which runs in the grid. Not talking about the labor costs for
>> the engineers using the Grid. So can the license and support costs of a
>> DRM system have any cost saving potential when you compare it with the
>> value it adds to the bulk of hardware in a data center?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andy
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